Curse

Wind of Horus · Mar 02, 2006, 10:19 AM // 10:19

Im sure everyone remembers the good old days when GW first came out, everyone was lost, confused, weak and had no idea where to go or what to do...

The months went by and now people have perfected ways of doing things the easy way example: 55mo, runs, keg/book tank and so on...

We all saw this as a good thing but really was it such a good thing? I remember first crossing over into the post-searing, I was also one of these confused and lost people, I went out of ascalon and just faught stuff, not really knowing what would come next but to be honest it was the most fun I have ever had with the game. And still today with all of the easy methods of getting around putting too much effort into doing things I find myself searching for the thrill of just raw all out combat and carnage, I sometimes instead of buying a run somewhere for my characters fighting to that location instead, some missions and quests offer this thrill but many are just too easy.

And then alas. I see the trailer for GW:F and I see what I have been longing for. RAW COMBAT - HELL YES! Bring the mobs, bring lots of them, and make sure they are tough, real tough, I want to feel like I did my first time in SF when it was new to everyone with 8/8 an axe, 2 monks, 30% DP and everyone getting owned. I want the kind of fight that leaves everyone at the ressurection shrine saying "WTF"

WHO IS WITH ME?!

Stormfall · Mar 02, 2006, 10:28 AM // 10:28

I sure am! XD

I have guildies who bought a Drok's run a few months ago so they could max out their armor, level, and skills ASAP. The rest of us are sticklers for playing the game through "properly" at least once so we decided not to go with them. We'll do Lornar's Pass and the rest of the run after we get to Drok's, we said. "But why?" Just for the challenge

Yanman.be · Mar 02, 2006, 10:36 AM // 10:36

one of the reason's i still use presearing armour..pve is too easy

torquemada · Mar 02, 2006, 10:45 AM // 10:45

/Signed!!

PvE is too easy...gives excuse for pvp'ers to greif pve no end...

Skuld · Mar 02, 2006, 11:13 AM // 11:13

Yes!

M1h4iL · Mar 02, 2006, 11:31 AM // 11:31

Me me! Your post speaks the truth about our early gw experiences, I miss them :/

EnvyHax · Mar 02, 2006, 11:41 AM // 11:41

I don't really care about fighting, really.

I just want that feeling of exploring on my own and thinking I've found something no one else has. I miss that.

quickmonty · Mar 02, 2006, 11:51 AM // 11:51

Sixth character going through the game. No runs, no power leveling. I just enjoy the challenge of playing the game with a new profession. Can't wait to do assasin and ritualist primaries.

Big_Iron · Mar 02, 2006, 12:21 PM // 12:21

/signed!!!!

Woutsie · Mar 02, 2006, 12:29 PM // 12:29

I am.

GW was my first MMORPG and I didn't know anything about it. Those days were amazing!!

wolfe2dale · Mar 02, 2006, 12:37 PM // 12:37

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Originally Posted by torquemada

/Signed!!

PvE is too easy...gives excuse for pvp'ers to greif pve no end...

Ah, the unending arrogance of pvp'ers...how sad.

Cador · Mar 02, 2006, 12:59 PM // 12:59

There will always be arrogant people.

I would /sign however i cant have fun doing missions when they are so generic and in my mind boring.... i find that after my first char doing missions with pugs or even guildies is REALLy boring.

Makkert · Mar 02, 2006, 01:11 PM // 13:11

Er...if you want to play explorer of the game, I think the best bet is to stay away from GWG :s

Kakumei · Mar 02, 2006, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by wolfe2dale

Ah, the unending arrogance of pvp'ers...how sad.

I don't see any arrogance, just fact. PvE is easy--I don't know too many people who will argue that point.

And if you're confused, keep in mind that easy != unenjoyable. I'm a carebear at heart, but there is a serious lack of challenge in PvE.

beanerman_99 · Mar 02, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakumei

I don't see any arrogance, just fact. PvE is easy--I don't know too many people who will argue that point.

And if you're confused, keep in mind that easy != unenjoyable. I'm a carebear at heart, but there is a serious lack of challenge in PvE.

I think it is arrogance that you say its "just a fact PvE is easy". Easy for who? Easy for people who cheated and got ran through the game and bought Droks armor, then went back to to all the missions? Easy for people who use the "cookie cutter builds" of the easiest skill combos to kill monsters?

I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything. But I mostly (say 95%) play in PvE and I find challenges every day. I find the Ring of Fire, Hells Precipice, and the end game missions a very good challenge. I find taking henchs and clearing the map and seeing whats out there challenging. I am so tired of people saying PvE is easy and boring. If it is then go PvP and leave us alone. Go delete all your PvE characters.

Back to OP, I am so excited to team up and explore the new world with people and here things like "OMG what the heck are those monsters??" or " wow come check out the scenery here. will make an awwesome screen shot" or "what the heck is that item that just dropped?" or "wonder what is down this path". I can't wait to begin the new adventure!!

Tainek · Mar 02, 2006, 02:35 PM // 14:35

No hes right, The Monsters and missions are easy, its PUGS that are difficult....

Griff Mon · Mar 02, 2006, 02:40 PM // 14:40

I have an easier time doing Thunderhead Keep with henchies than I do with PUGS. The challenge of the game in PvE is sometimes is getting people to work together.

Kakumei · Mar 02, 2006, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by beanerman_99

I think it is arrogance that you say its "just a fact PvE is easy". Easy for who? Easy for people who cheated and got ran through the game and bought Droks armor, then went back to to all the missions? Easy for people who use the "cookie cutter builds" of the easiest skill combos to kill monsters?

I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything. But I mostly (say 95%) play in PvE and I find challenges every day. I find the Ring of Fire, Hells Precipice, and the end game missions a very good challenge. I find taking henchs and clearing the map and seeing whats out there challenging. I am so tired of people saying PvE is easy and boring. If it is then go PvP and leave us alone. Go delete all your PvE characters.

Kindly point out where I said it was boring. In fact, just to forestall comments like the one bolded above, I added--

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakumei

And if you're confused, keep in mind that easy != unenjoyable. I'm a carebear at heart, but there is a serious lack of challenge in PvE

Read my posts, please, before writing me off as a PvP elitist.

beanerman_99 · Mar 02, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakumei

Kindly point out where I said it was boring. In fact, just to forestall comments like the one bolded above, I added--

Read my posts, please, before writing me off as a PvP elitist.

I apoligize. I singled you out as a target to my frustrations with people here blithly saying PvE is "easy" over and over again. Its to them I aimed my comments and sorry for singleing you out.

PvE can still be challenging and it aggrevates me when people say its not. The are those who say, for example, that ToPK is easy. That because most groups use only the barrage/pet, 1 monk, 1 order, 1 MM set up. Sure, this makes PVE easy. But why not mix it up a bit? I took my MM in the other day with a very random group with warriors, mesmers, ele's and monks and you know what? It WAS challenging and we DID finish the mission.

Kakumei, didn't mean to insult you

Keyote · Mar 02, 2006, 03:10 PM // 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by beanerman_99

I think it is arrogance that you say its "just a fact PvE is easy". Easy for who? Easy for people who cheated and got ran through the game and bought Droks armor, then went back to to all the missions? Easy for people who use the "cookie cutter builds" of the easiest skill combos to kill monsters?

Where do people get this idea that to be successful in PvE you need to cheat or get run to droks? My first character took a week to finish all the content I could find, and back then there was no droks running. The only missions I haven't gone through with just hench is THK and Thirsty River, but other people have. It doesn't matter what class you play, it's about knowing how to play it.

Take a look at bosses. Is there are reason they're called bosses and given unique names except to recognize which one has your elite? They pose no threat even to groups who dont have a clue what they're doing. Even Glint is feeble when you know how to do it, and it doesn't even require a specific group.

Sorry if this sounds arrogant, but if you find PvE challenging it's because of your own lack of skill or a bad group, not because the content is actually difficult.